Cindy why don't you run for mayor? wrote on Mar 31, 2008 2:49 AM:
" Some of your rants might work with more reasoning. You work at city hall Cindy? Right?
If Bob Muth knows bout what each department should be doing then why doesn't he know anything about a TIF.
Why didn't he take a better leadership role when he was sgt instead of being corrupt and getting frustrated to the point where he broke down. Muth will not be mayor. Muth must not be mayor.
When Muth is in council meetings he tinkers with the light alot at the desk he sits at says I when he has to. Thats not the kind of mayor I want Cindy.
I want a mayor that isn't scared to talk to me whether he likes me or not.
Your uncle was alot like these boys who become mayor one hit wonders. Your uncle was elected by the same type of people who elect or get these guys involved in politics.
No change why your uncle didn't last as mayor.
When a city changes the problems change.
Giese handles stress better then Muth.
Giese has 6 years experience. Clarence told Muth to run so did Chris Danou. Muth has very little knowledge of people skills.
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When I get a thing in the mail vote for Giese tells me alot wrote on Mar 31, 2008 1:20 AM:
" I wanna know why people with alot of money seem to run for politcs. I want justice and fairness.
They never bring results. Giese has alot to prove hes done alot of agreeing with Muth which makes me think we gonna get the same like we did with Bialecki.
Age is only a number people. Same group of people different actors running the show.
With me I can make debates fun. I can make people think of issues.
I am not affraid to speak for the people.
I was never book savvy. I have street smarts. I know what people want. I can relate to most.
We need a fishing spot for people. Something that is safe.
We need new blood I am this.
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Giese MS in Exercise Physiology, and this isn't the issue wrote on Mar 30, 2008 3:56 PM:
" Giese's Masters is in Exercise PHYSIOLOGY. Look at his vitae and the 18 physiology publications, as well as work in health care. Hardly a masters in Physical Education.
Fellow Onalaska, lets discuss actual issues instead of meaningless soundbites like "understand the pollution issues in this part of the country better". Please do ARTICULATE the issues. What are the pollution issues? How do YOU think they need to be addressed? What specifically do Giese or Muth not get or get on this issue?
We should be discussing SPECIFIC ISSUES, not meanngless posts about wealth. There are good and bad people at every socioeconomic level. We should be indebted to both Mr. Muth and Mr. Giese for their willingness to represent us. Instead of just complaining about this issue, bring your thoughts to the table as to what the problem is and how it should be solved. The blame game is getting old. "
Talk about discrimination!! wrote on Mar 30, 2008 3:41 PM:
" OK, so the only people who should hold office are ..what? Blue collar workers? And the reasoning behind this is, what? Because they aren't snooty? Ooookaaay. So Mr Bob can't run because he is a wealthy retired public service worker..not blue collar. And the reason we want blue collar in office is so that when wealthy businessmen come to town bringing jobs and offering to make deals, they can do a good job and make the best deal for the city? Ooookaay. No wait, we are scared of wealthy businessmen, cuz they are somehow evil, right? OK, so may they can chase the businessmen away? Let me know, my vote depends on your superior reasoning. "
And what is wrote on Mar 30, 2008 3:01 PM:
" Mr. muth's Masters in? Interesting way to get wealth-marriage. But didn't it have to come from somewhere? And wealth inherited and not misspent means some good old fashioned values were passed on. In either case, How does this make a person bad? Or less desirable for office? BTW you are wrong about that as well, most in Onalaska earned it themselves. The only pushy arrogant people I've seen at City Hall hang with stellner. And they coomunicate with noses high=just like your posts! "
Onalaska is NOT a business wrote on Mar 30, 2008 1:11 PM:
" Onalaska is an organized municipality under the laws of the State of Wisconsin. It is NOT a business. True, it should be run in a businesslike manner, but don't degrade the place by referring to it as a simple business. And if we really wanted it to be run in a businesslike manner, we would hire a professional city administrator. Of course Mike Giese would be against that. Should only so-called businessmen be alderpersons and mayors in this town? I don't think so. They pretty much have messed up the finances of the place every time they get into elected office. "
His Education wrote on Mar 30, 2008 12:59 PM:
" Nothing in his web site indicates Mike Giese has a Master's in Physiology. The man has a degree in Phy. Ed. "
Check your facts wrote on Mar 30, 2008 12:54 PM:
" Mike Giese's Master's degree is in Phy. Ed., I assure you. It's too bad he doesn't have one in physiology -- he might be able to understand pollution issues in this part of the country better.
The wealthy? Well, most of them that are so good at throwing their weight around in Onalaska got that wealth either by marriage or inheritance. (The ones who actually earned it rarely if ever show their faces in City Hall.)
We've had it with pushy, arrogant people throwing their weight around here. Apparently, Mr. Giese has associated himself with that crew -- and the people are not going to forget that mistake on his part.
There is a revolution going on, don't forget it. The common people are about to rise up in revolt against the uppity, wealthy elite which has seized control of our community. "
More of the "old" Onalaska wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:55 AM:
" One couple in Onalaska purchased an electric vehicle. They did not do the research prior to their pricey investment. (Much like those people that took variable home loans)Now they look to the city to bow to their special interest and bail them out. These vehicles are too slow for our streets, worthless in snow and ice, there is no huge rush to purchase them, and will be deadly in an accident. But, clarence wishes to change the entire city laws to accommodate one constituent. Poor reasoning by a former Mayor. And he backs Mr. muth for Mayor. See if you follow this thread? "
And again wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:53 AM:
" The sad little non-existant culture war. Generally those that are wealthy worked hard to become that way. Generally they are intelligent and can apply it to solve problems. I can assume by your reasoning that you will be writing in AJ when you cast your ballot next week? The only flaunting I see is Clarence's arrogance and over-inflated ego. How did you come by the reasoning that people that amass wealth are "bad"? You sound like a Bush man-- you know, a "uniter" not a "divider"---sarcasm, heh, heh! "
Onalaska IS a business wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:43 AM:
" a business (also called firm or enterprise) is a legally recognized organizational entity existing within an economically free country designed to provide goods and/or services to consumers... (Wikipedia)
Yes, running the city of Onalaska is the running of a business.
Onalaska = legally recognized organizational entity existing within an economically free country
Municipal gov't = designed to provide goods and / or services
Consumers of these services = citizens of Onalaska
Pretending Onalaska is not a business is foolish. Mike Giese's masters degree is in physiology not physical education. His website shows years of cost containment experience. This is the guy we need. I spoke to Mike for the first time via phone two weeks ago and couldn't have been more impressed.
To "education argument" What is the sociology behind biology? Seems like an oxymoron to me... "
Onalaska is NOT a business wrote on Mar 30, 2008 7:53 AM:
" To be mayor of Onalaska, a man (or woman) must understand how people tick. We've had it in this town with so-called businessmen who know nothing about people and then get themselves elected to positions in city government. We are not robots. We are not willing slaves who bow down to those who like to flaunt their so-called business acumen in front of us. We are sick of businessmen being placed on city committees and boards simply because they are businessmen or are, quite frankly, wealthy. A revolution is occurring in Onalaska. It might not be complete come Tuesday, but it surely will be in the next mayoral election. "
None of these 2 men have the ability to lead wrote on Mar 30, 2008 3:24 AM:
" People need a leader that isn't tied to city hall in someway.
We need a leader that brings results not rhetoric.
We need a leader that changes with the culture.
We need a leader that understands employment and jobs that a city must need in order to support itself economically.
We can afford pet projects but we can't afford clean indusrial or high tech jobs. Jobs that pay more then 7 dollars an hour people.
I will argue this. We need better paying jobs.
We need a job infrastructure. I think a new young person in office like me can invite buisnesses that offer this.
We need jobs that don't push people away that don't have college degrees.
We need a leader that isn't affraid to shovel a sidewalk for a neighbor or plow out a drive way.
We need a leader that isn't affraid of doing things for the people without having special intrests.
Why isn't the council a full time job.
Less ticketing and more community service.
Onalaska city hall is in buisness of being in buisness with a ticket quota.
Maybe Danou will run for a council spot he seems to never shut up.
All they know about at city hall is how a pencil works and how pen ink dries. "
It is not the education wrote on Mar 29, 2008 11:00 PM:
" It is the combination of education and experience in business at all levels. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but business runs on success. Those that perform fill the higher levels. You simply cannot be a Sgt. for 30 years and claim to know the Chief's job because you were a Sgt. for 30 years. And it takes darn hard work to make it to the top. Some want to make it into a class war...that's the old Onalaska talking. Vote with your brain and not with your pride. Tough times are coming with the economy in the shape it's in. I'd rather have a sucessfull businessman in the mayor's position. Cindy is entitled to her opinion, but she is just plain wrong. "
Here's how it works wrote on Mar 29, 2008 10:18 PM:
" If there are more than two candidates, they hold a primary to narrow it down to two candidates. "
Need Help wrote on Mar 29, 2008 10:08 PM:
" I'm new to the area so, I was wondering why only 2 candidates for this position? I think it shows that Ona and surrounding areas are lacking in the skills department in all areas of city hall government! Thanks for reading my concern. "
The education argument wrote on Mar 29, 2008 2:12 PM:
" Having a bachelor's degree in Biology and a Master's in Phy. Ed. is not what I call a stellar educational background for mayor of a city, especially when it comes to finances. Onalaska will not fall apart if we elect a mayor who actually understands the culture, history, and psychology of the people (Bob Muth). I would go so far to say too that Mr. Giese, by his own words (despite his degree in Biology) shows a shocking lack of understanding the sociology behind biological issues, especially when it comes to ecology and pollution. "
Economy is going to fizzle, need educated leadership wrote on Mar 29, 2008 10:43 AM:
" As an older member of this community, I've long sat idle on the sideline... I'm watching the birds at my feeder this fine Saturday morning reflecting on economic cycles... and the fact that small cities like Onalaska MUST elect smart educated leadership in times of hardship. Muth may have been a good choice under different circumstances, but Onalaska needs strong educated leadership in tough economic times. Mr. Giese's interview with LaCrosse television suggests he might actually understand cost of capital. It is uncommon a city the size of Onalaska has the opportunity to elect leaders with this type of understanding. What happens if we go into a prolonged recession (real possibility), the dollar continues to fall (real possibility), unemployment increases (real possibility) and tax revenue falls? What then of Muth's hands off, everything will be ok philosophy? Muth appears to be an exceptional man, but a marginal leader. "
She's correct wrote on Mar 29, 2008 2:14 AM:
" I've known Cindy since childhood. She would not be writing a letter like this unless she meant it. In the closing days of this campaign, Mr. Giese has given us warning signals as to how his administration would operate -- and he has also given us hints of his core belief system regarding this city. He is no Shirleigh VanRiper. In the end, I will not support any mayoral (or aldermanic) candidate who I somehow feel is a threat to Onalaska. "
Two councilmen that don't know the rules... wrote on Mar 28, 2008 4:42 PM:
" Or just don't care! Well, it appears that a business owner in Onalaska has decided to use his conditional use permitted LED motion sign to advertise for Mr. muth. The permit states that the sign may only be used to advertise for his on site business. He has free speech rights to put up as many political signs as he wishes, but the LED sign is another matter. As council members, I would think that Mr. muth and Mr. stellner would come down hard on this. But, no. After all, this is the good 'ol boys club, and a slight bending of the rules is going to be OK in Onalaska if this cabal gets into power. Look for more of the same Onalaska, if you vote for Mr. muth! "
Citizen thinking Giese wrote on Mar 27, 2008 10:39 PM:
" Muth would make a great grandfather, spiritual leader, or basketball coach... But thinking critically is not at his core. Conversely, I don't think Mike would be as good a spiritual leader or basketball coach as Muth, but he will make for a more capable competent mayor... "
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